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  1. It took forever to reach this part of town with the long stream of comments.
    Coming from East Asia (and not being too specific since Japan and Korea are quite similar) I must say that Norway is actually overall cheaper. To begin with definitely hospital care and services are much better, faster, efficient, high-tech etc than Norway. BUT the more expensive treatments are not properly covered while in Norway the more expensive the treatment the less you end up paying. In other words, if you had cancer in East Asia you would end up in debt due to the treatments needed and not necessarily healthier. In Norway you wouldn’t end up in debt but you could end up dead due to the slow service and waiting times.

    The quality and price of groceries in East Asia is frankly more expensive and worse than in Norway. Someone mentioned shipping times… well at least you can get produce from the rest of Europe but in East Asia well…… China is a land of pollution and fake everything, Japan is a land of radiation, Korea only produces locally what is being protected by import taxes mainly rice and beef. So the closest other countries are South East Asian countries and they only do tropical fruits. So it is either from Australia or the US. And even with cheap manual labor you still find rotten produce from time to time, and the cheaper produce are tasteless and small, unless you pay 3 times the price for “premium” produce which turns out to be twice the prices here in Oslo. So for twice the price you get the same taste quality as in Oslo…….

    Imported meat is cheaper than locally produced meat and also cheaper than in Norway but it is not that high quality because it is imported so it arrives frozen). Locally produced meat is just as good and perhaps tastier than meat in Norway BUT about 2.5 times more expensive……

    Heck even locally produced electronic goods are MORE expensive than in Norway.

    Clothes? Even more absurdly expensive……..

    Furniture? Even Ikea charges about 30~50% MORE than in Norway to match local prices (even then local prices are still about 10% more expensive than Ikea).

    Pizza? HAH! The frozen pizza sold in Norway is actually of higher quality and MUCH tastier than the pizzas sold at pizza restaurants back at home and MUCH cheaper. To eat a similar quality pizza you would probably have to pay the same amount you pay to eat Pizza at a restaurant in Norway. To eat a pizza matching the quality of Pizza you eat in a restaurant in Norway then you would probably pay twice that amount in East Asia.

    Pay? Sure relatively speaking I got paid more back at home….. again BUT I worked pretty close to 12 hours a day… let be more specific, about total 9 hours are spent working, the other 3 hours are spent wasting time because the senior employee / team leader / boss hasn’t yet gone home…. and only 2 weeks paid holiday. Heck that in itself makes Norway the undisputed winner.

    Sure there are some minor inconveniences in Norway like…… not having a CV at every corner (like Paris has pharmacies), not being able to have food delivered to your doorstep within 30 minutes any time of the day, and I mean any time. Not being able to go out for drinks without calculating the monthly budget every time. And then to return home from said drinks to recalculate the monthly budget….
    Actually getting some proper medicine instead of being offered the all-mighty paracetamol or ibuprofen. Seriously no cold medicine?

    I am actually very happy to be in Norway especially since I like cold weather and global warming is certainly driving temperatures in East Asia.

    I would say that only some places in the US or Canada or the UK are comparable in the work-life-nature balance and you can rule out eh capitals of those countries.

    But some people prefer crowded and polluted places and foods with so much preservatives pumped into it that you could keep bread in the open and not having it rot for 2 whole weeks…. or buy bright red apples that have been waxed to bring out the color.
    And do you know that if possible all exporters of fruits and produce spray their products with preservatives to prevent them from rotting when crossing the vast oceans? In fact that is one reason that in East Asia it is recommended never to eat any fruit or vegetable without first having it washed properly, not for fear from pesticides remaining, but because of the preservatives sprayed over them so that they last the shipping process.

    The US is the more advanced version of Korea/Japan but with produce and groceries being cheaper due to all that vast land they have and shorter logistics.

    In fact most likely the only advantage the US has over Norway are cheaper cars, cheaper produce, cheaper groceries, and cheap manual labor. Hence the more you can earn due to your job the better it is to live in the US than in Norway. But once you reach a certain thresh-hold where you still earn more than you can ever spend then the US has nothing more to offer and you are better off in Norway where if you are rich enough you can actually enjoy the socialist aspect of Norway AND its capitalist side, or the UK is also good. And then you have the rest of Europe and Africa a stone throw away.

    The US is an island culturally speaking.

    However I personally would advise against living in an EURO country. (I said EURO and not EU). The EURO is a flawed and dangerous product.

  2. Norway is great for young people with no assets who come and get into the system early. If you are middle aged have already paid for your children’s education, you will get precious little out of the system, and will have the joy of paying for their children’s education, too. The healthcare costs just as much as in the US (12% of our annual income goes to this tax), getting decent retirement benefits is based on 30-40 years in the system, and if you were foolish enough to save any money in your former life, they will want to pare that down 1% each year with their wealth tax.
    I find Norwegians individually to be pretty nice people, but there is a deep-seated conservatism and xenophobia that is papered over with reams of regulations designed to force them to behave better. Mostly it doesn’t work – the Norwegian will get the job.
    They are also rude, as I was warned by a colleague my first week here. The default behavior in public is to pretend you don’t exist – they’ll drop the door ahead of you, occupy the whole sidewalk, etc. The people who have been polite in public have been foreigners.
    Norwegians have a passion for process. Meetings upon meetings, regulations, paperwork and more paperwork. Usually the decision has already been made higher up, but they are going to make it look like it’s democratic. Buying a pencil at my workplace probably costs 10 times the already ludicrous price because 5 people have to be involved in the process.
    I read above that there is great trust here. Well, the people trust their government, or have given up trying to influence it. At work, there is no trust – part of the reason for the mounds of paperwork is that they don’t trust the employees to behave decently. Which is weird, since most Norwegians seem pretty honest. One of my co-workers said that it is a national passion to observe your neighbors to make sure they don’t get away with anything, or get any benefit you don’t. Maybe that is the origin – if someone steps out of line, they implement a “process” to make sure it doesn’t happen again. Add up enough of those processes and you have a suffocating system. Not my cup of tea. I would not have come here if I knew what I know now, and will leave if as soon as I get an opportunity.

  3. I haven’t lived in Norway since I was five just turning six. I ham now sixteen so about ten or eleven years and with all the things that you have said are correct. Gods I don’t know how my parents survived some of the time. I had forgotten and then I went to Iceland on a school trip (which is an awful lot like Norway) and I forgot that they speak a varied version of old Norse and I said,
    ‘Tusen takk’ (A thousand thanks) and got stared at and I was like ahahahaha it’s just ‘Takk.’ I had forgotten that the fruit went off and everything is expensive. Even thought I was in Oceland it brought back memories of when I was little so much so that I missed my home.

  4. The website http://www.norwayuncovered.com was banned in Norway in 2003 and the owner was given a prison sentence of 6 months suspended for two years but only on the promise it was taken down on his return to England. When he returned to England it was not taken down. The website highlighted the downside of several aspects of Norwegian culture, especially the intense dislike the Norwegian establishment had for Muslims. How prescient of the website owner when in 2011 Anders Breivik, white supremacist and virulent Muslim-hater went on his killing spree.

    There are a hundred things on this website that the outside world ought to know. I can thoroughly recommend it.