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  1. I live in Norway. I think one thinkg obody talks is the freedomand and peace we have in this country. Here the kids still can be free and go out without need a grown up. I don’t think the prices are so up if you think how much you earn every hour a normal skilled worker earn up to 500nok per hour that means that the train 200 nok is paid with around 15 min of your work so not bad at all. Medical system is ok the pay 180 nok per consultation is very cheap. I’m not in love with Norway but I need to accept than the average of standard of life here is much higher than inthe Us. You make me confused because sometimes you write like you are making very good and others like you don’t have money for the basics. Hope you are doing better now that you are out of here

    1. was this directed at me or another commenter? i never said i dont have money for the basics. and i still live in norway?

    2. Sorry, but he is kind of right… 500kr per hour?? 80k per month? 900k per year? You call it average salary ? Which Norway you are talking about? This is salary for vice president, if you are really good.. I would mention one another thing – Norwegians think it’s the best and perfect country and feel that every bad opinion about them is wrong,, Funny that you can see it clearly in the comments :)

    3. Lolo, 900K is obviously not average, but it isn’t necessarily something obscene that only the vice president makes. I know of a number of people who make over a million with just high school education. Granted this is in industry doing jobs with inconvenient working times, lots of travel and overtime.

    4. I haven’t said it’s impossible. It is possible in every country in EU or US… especially when you are in industry, extra hours etc. but Patricia said that “normal skilled worker earn up to 500nok”, like it was average salary. It isn’t truth at all, it not “normal”, like you said – it s not average.
      In 2010 average was 450k kr per year, today it’s probably 50k more. It’s 250kr per hour, don’t forget about a tax :) so for train ticket you are not working 15 minutes but 2h, and it’s rather one of cheapest tickets :) And we need to remember that “average” doesn’t mean that most of people earn this kind of money. Just to clear up, I don’t like when people give improper data. I like Norway mostly because of the nature aspects and I was thinking to maybe look for the job there, but the problem I had was that I could afford pretty much the same as I have in Poland today on managers position in production industry (projects leading) . The salary I was offered in Norway was 3 time higher than my actual, but prices are also 3 time higher :) so it’s pretty much the same and because of some disadvantages I found when living few months in Norway I didn’t decided to take a job. Out of curiosity – what industry you had in mind saying that easly it’s possible to earn more than million/year as your friends do?

    5. At average salary (around 450,000Kr in 2014) the tax rates would be 26.7% after your allowances. this would leave you with around 330,000 Kr/pa which based on the OECD data is 1400 hrs (!408 in 2013), so 235 Kr after tax, so that’s not an hours work after tax.

      The truth is Norway’s great for unskilled manual labour, anything that can’t be automated pays really well in comparison, look at the rates for kids working at McDonalds for instance. For skilled and professional workers this benefit isn’t there, that’s equality for you, and the progressive tax system ensures that those on high rates of pay have higher rates of tax.

      The upside of this equality is that the overall quality of life is higher, better educational opportunities for all, and hence better social mobility, longer life, and especially healthy life for most. The 10% lose out compared with say the US or the UK, but the other 90% benefit. For people immigrating one challenge is that it is a very educated population with a high level of participation (more women work than in most other western countries) so you’re education that makes you “special” where you come from is just meh here.

    6. Max. You are Norwegian ? For sure you are acting as one :) No offense to you personally but it’s no accidence that very often in europe norwegian are seen as nation that don’t want to hear anything bad about them and a country, even if it’s true… :)

      You are using OECD data which gives “actual working hours”, and yes, Norway has 1400 hours per year. Now little bit of equation.. (and here I need to comment your sentence – maybe Norwegians are educated in meaning they are graduating schools, but the education is pooor, I have worked there some time and right now working with them remotely, mathematics, economics- veeeeryy poor. It seem like primary schooling is struggling, you can double check that on PISA tests/OECD results, Norway is way below average..). anyway. if you multiply 250 working days and 7,5 hour work day , it’s far away from 1400 h/year. Have you wondered why is that? one of the reasons is highest level in europe of sick leaves (over 2 times more than eu average) and shorter working hours. So not that healthy…. or just little lazy. My personal observation is – both! and I would add – not efficient.
      Regarding market for professionals – It’s totally opposite to your description. Norway biggest companies are attached to natural goods which just happen to be in that region, there is just little piece of industry to compete with world. Main market is fossil fuels, oil, gas and fish (besides regular post, healthcare, telecom. etc. ) and there you can find good job and good payment comparing to rest of the world, but low payment of main manufacturing industry/services is not caused by “very educated population” because it’s not, is due to no competition on the market. In EU my education and experience is not “special” as you described, in fact it’s special in Norway, but there no big market for that, and payments are flat. No big manufacturing, no big brand names (as for ex. 5 Mil. Denmark has).
      Don’t get me wrong, I like norwegians, I just wrote few bad thing about them, there are also few good, as for any nationality :) as they just happen to fortunately sit on the gold and holding whole economy on that but thinking themselfs as very smart and brilliant , as they are not above average (remember economy in 80′ and 90′, when there was crisis due to “dutch disease”).
      One more thing that is funny is norwegians pointing out whole how “green” they are with electrical cars and hydropower etc. . but they forget that it is mainly build on big income from exporing and selling oil and gas, which are one biggest disasters for nature in eu. and they are biggest explorer in this parts of world.. :)

    7. Not Norwegian, but I do live and work here.

      Yes the 1408 hours is low, but it’s more than Germany at 1388 or the Netherlands at 1380 and not a lot less than Denmark at 1411, so I don’t think your generalisation holds much. I don’t know where you come from but there are few places where people work 250 days of the year. Also account for the higher workforce participation than say countries like Germany and it’s about the total hours worked by the population per head, not just what people in employment do. Still we’ll stick with the general prejudice because the country has a family friendly environment, to keep workforce participation high.

      The PISA data is a open to interpretation as it doesn’t align with the countries with high scores having any real competitive advantage in western economies. I can’t comment on your specific experiences, but it’s not mine, maybe I’ve just been lucky as I work in one of those businesses associated with Oil and Gas.

      Sure the economy has a strong tenancy towards the exploitation of natural resources, but actually avoided the Dutch disease for the most part. The Norwegian paradox is well known in economics, that is even after the rents of oil and gas are accounted for the productivity and income are amongst the highest in the world, with a low R&D investment. You also have to see the context of where the economies grew from post 1945 as Norway had never had a large manufacturing sector.

      As I said if you expect a significant benefit from having a higher education Norway isn’t the place to be, you point out yourself that the payment is “flat”. Sweden has a large manufacturing sector with world known names, and twice the population, Denmark, not so much.

    8. Max, Denmark does not have large manufacturing sector with world known names? Moller-Maersk, Carlsberg, Danfoss, Grundfos, DSB, Lego, Arla, Bang & Olufsen and more, more, more.. Name one brand like this in Norway not connected with oil&gas or money from these industries? (I can agree to fishery, Norsk Hydro, yara, end of list.) Sweden has also good brand names and good economy (probably better then Danmark) Norway does not, and this will be a big issue when oil won’t be that beneficial.
      You’re writing that maybe your are lucky with job, but please read my post once again – I already wrote that in oil&gas industry there is no problem to get a good paid job, so we are on the same page. I was writing about “regular” industry, which create goods, because you’ve said there are qualified norwegians and there are not that many, I just lack of industry not connected with oil. Out of curiosity – whats your job? Do you work near big city, in offices or somewhere offshore/small town? I’m just interested…
      Regarding working hours..hmm.. I think you missed my point. I was trying to raise that 1400 is not “on paper” for regular full time employees. We were discussing how much you can afford for one hour work and here for higher work positions Norway is not on the bottom of list, but not on the top as well (OECD Income) and due to salary flatness it’s higher in average, but we are talking here about qualified workers… and of course lower working hours is common ratio for let’s say “wealthy” countries, regardless of difference in hours counting (ex. feriepenger, contract working etc.) I don’t know how about your job but if you have ever worked in other branch in Norway or worked with germans and dutch, dannish you know exactly what I’m talking about. ..and one of highest ratio for sick leaves in Norway is not mistake – you should know it as well, ikke stress :) . Norwegian economy grew since 45 to 70′ but growth rate was lower than that for most western nations, until oil was found and then two times in almost two decades of “dutch disease” (didn’t avoid it) until gouverment started the Found… Don’t get me wrong – I’m not saying that norwegians are stupid and not saying it’s not a good life over there etc etc. What I’m saying is just – it’s not that great after all for everybody for living standard and it’s not that bright future as most of well know economists see for Norway today, same with education.. Anyway I’m very happy that even of different views and experiences we can have a cultural and reasonable chat which is unusual today at internet ;)

  2. Megan – we do not want you here. Please leave. You’re painting a perfect picture of the arrogant, obnoxious and loud American that we’ve all come to know and hate. Stop reinforcing the stereotype and just leave.

  3. Hi. Love the list.
    About the fruit and vegetables found in Norwegian shops; in Norway it is not allowed to use chemicals to preserve. The result is that fruit and vegetables goes bad faster. . I don’t know if the places you mentioned are organic shops. Norwegians are used to find rotten fruit, but that said, the employees should do a much better job and remove them more often. So don’t be afraid of what you have been eating of fruit and vegetables in Norway, think more about all the chemical you get elsewhere!
    About holiday, it is the Ferielov that regulat it. If you don’t have feriepenger from last year, you only need to take 2 weeks holiday.

    1. so you’re to tell me that those chilean blueberries that are in stores during certain times of the year contain absolutely no chemicals to permit them to last the journey across the world and selling process here?

    2. I’m telling you it’s safer to buy Norwegian food, because Norwegian producers follow Norwegian regulation. It is not allowed for imported food, but control is not always easy. But I guess it is not the imported food you find of bad quality in Norwegian shops?

      All food make up is not allowed in Norway, also gen manipulation. In Norwegian milk, it’s milk of high quality, with nothing added to prevent the milk from getting sour.
      If a Norwegian farmer have 450 000 in celletall, he’s not allowed to delivery it to the dairy. In U.S, the limit is 750 000.
      A Norwegian farmer get less paid if the celletall is over 220 000, so almost all milk sold are under 220 000.

      Kjøttdeig and other meat products are sold with their original color, not in a added colored red state.
      This is why Norwegian food products looks a lot sader, but it is safer for consumers.
      This is common knowledge for most Norwegians (not the celletall- only special interested know that!)but we sadly don’t communicate it to foreigners.

    3. i dont disagree with you that norwegian products are better than what is being imported from the EU (trust me, i have seen the sizes of brussel sprouts and leek in EU countries and they are about 15 times the size and are quite tasteless). but unfortunately, until grocery stores here begin selling only norwegian products, you will find pesticides/chemicals on products in the stores. my issue with quality hasn’t anything to do with the makeup and shelf-life, it has more to do w/ the laziness of store employees who don’t do their job sorting through things and picking out mold. mold perpetrates more mold, and a lot of food is being wasted as a result. :(

  4. I like your work Megan. I’ve been here 5 years and love it. The cultural querks can take a while to get used to.