30 Useful Things To Know Before Moving to Norway
Moving to Norway is a desire that many people share. This post shows how to move to Norway and 30 things to know before living in Norway. The post will also give details on the various Norwegian visas that are available and how to apply for them as a citizen of various countries.
This was originally written in 2013 and has been updated regularly since (latest update is February 2020).
Living in Norway: 30 Things To Know Before Moving to Norway
I spent four years living in Norway… a fantastic Scandinavian country that is as desirable as it is frigid. To be honest, it was one of the greatest periods of my life and I really loved my life in Norway, even if the adjustments were sometimes harsh and difficult.
As I have moved around to various places since I look back on my time in the north and realize that it was the easiest place to adjust to as an American. While the Norwegian immigration process can be a bit stringent, it was worth it to say that I called the country home for a few years.
This post discusses how to move to Norway, applying for a Norwegian visa or permit, what it is like to live in Norway, and thirty things to know before you make that move.
I did this as a collaborative post with Inspiring Travellers and you can see the link to their 15 things to know before moving to Norway at the end of the post! Be sure to click it to read their thoughts as they spent time living in Stavanger.

What to Know Before Living in Norway
There are so many things to know before relocating to Norway. I spent quite a few years living in Norway and this post discusses things I think you should consider before making the move.
From food quality to salaries and beyond, here are 15 things I think you should know before migrating to Norway (the other 15 can be found at the very end of this post).
Allemannsrett
The beauty of Allemannsrett is that this ‘law’ means that you can pitch your tent or hike anywhere in Norway. Granted, you can’t pitch a tent in the middle of Frognerparken in Oslo’s center, but anywhere out in nature or mountains that are not private property is an absolute go.
I can’t tell you how much I love this right and how I think it should exist everywhere in Norway! Hotels and hostels aren’t cheap in Norway, so this gives travelers and locals another way to be out in nature at an affordable cost.
While I never took full advantage of this, it still is something I brag to others about whenever I speak about my time living in Norway.

Norwegian Salaries
I constantly hear from Norwegians, even when irrelevant to a conversation, “We are so lucky to get paid so well here…that is why everything is more expensive.” This is not always true. Granted, a housekeeper or retail shop worker gets paid drastically more than in the United States. But skilled workers with education don’t always make more living in Norway.
One key exception is teachers. Teacher salaries in Norway are much better than in North America and that is a real shame (for North America). There are other careers that are valued more in Norway than in the US and other countries.
I, personally, never made the same amount of money in Norway as I would have in the US. And the taxes are much higher in Norway. On the other hand, medicine is socialized and many other amenities are taken care of, so it all evened out in the end.

If you look at the OECD Better Life Index, you will notice that based on disposable income, the average American makes astoundingly more than the average Norwegian per year.
This takes into account a lot of the wealth gaps (to my surprise, there wasn’t as large of a difference between the countries as I anticipated). And with the cost of living being so much lower in the US, your money will go much further than it would in Norway.
This is hard for people to see… especially since many jobs (engineers, for example) are in much higher demand in Norway than they are in the US or other countries.
So while you may get paid very well to be an engineer in Norway, that does not mean that you won’t get paid equivalent or higher in another country… they just have the demand for it in Norway at the moment.

Everyone is given a new tax card each year
They are supposed to come automatically, but sometimes you have to order them if you don’t receive them on time. What happens if you don’t turn yours in or are in between the processing of visas and can’t receive one until the visa processing is done?
You are taxed at 50%. I am experiencing this right now and trust me, it is BRUTAL. I’m told I’ll receive a lot of it back when tax time comes. Fingers crossed. (Update: All was sorted in the end).
Norwegian taxes are automated
Taxes in Norway are included in the actual price of the goods. While this leads to a lack of transparency, in my opinion, it makes shopping easy. And, your annual taxes are pretty much automated. No H&R Block involvement. Amazing.

Food quality is poor or limited
Since Norway is not part of the EU, they don’t have the same amount of imports as grocery stores in Sweden, for example. And what you do get in the grocery stores is usually rather poor quality. I can’t tell you how badly I miss Trader Joe’s or Whole Foods.
Luckily, if you’re in Oslo, the Grønland markets can provide you with your foreign needs, at a lower price, and often, with better quality. Many stores have opened in recent years that are helping solve this problem, in addition.
Don’t let Kiwi’s produce guarantee trick you into believing their quality is superior to any other store’s. I will mention that I have seen drastic improvements in food quality since I moved here.
Perhaps the TV2 programs about the poor quality have helped? (Again, this was written in 2013 and has likely changed a bit- I no longer live in Norway, so I have no idea!)
Things that are better in Norway than many other places? Chocolate, berries (they will blow your mind!), bread, and many other foods. Try to buy seasonal produce.
Also, do note that if you’re visiting other parts of the country like Tromsø or parts more remote that the situation could be different!

Norwegians don’t complain
And if Norwegian people do complain, it is very rare. So, when you do have a legitimate complaint with a company or its services, you will shock the lower-level employees because they don’t experience this often.
I purchased a sofa from Bohus here in Norway and had some delivery issues with it (it was going to be months late). I was upset, naturally, and called to complain.
The employee who received my phone call was so confused about what to do or who to escalate the call to that I think I frazzled her for days.
Luckily, the problem was resolved in a professional and timely manner and I ended up having a superb customer service interaction with Bohus.

Norwegians think they complain… I just want to advise them to move to Germany where complaining is an art form and then they will see how easy-going they truly are.
Americans love a good complaint too, even if we don’t do it directly to your face.
If you can’t find it in Norway… it might be banned
The Norwegian government is notorious for banning things. One of my favorite Yogi teas is banned here. I didn’t discover this until my friend who works for customs and tolls here informed me that that is why I am unable to find it but can find every single other Yogi tea here.
Red Bull was banned here in recent years, in fact, due to caffeine levels.

A 12oz Red Bull has less caffeine than a cup of coffee. I think it was probably banned for other reasons, maybe like its ability to lead someone to a slow death, but the government just told the people it was caffeine-levels related.
But on a general note, if you can’t find it… before you go to extreme measures of trying to have a grocery store import it (which I have done), find out if it is even allowed in the country at all. There may be a reason you can’t get it here.
Shipping products into Norway is no easy feat
Since Norway is not part of the EU, many places abroad won’t ship here. I don’t think it is that they don’t want to, but many people assume that Norway is actually part of the EU.
I have found that you can often get an exception made by speaking with managers, but there have been times I was unable to get that permission granted.
In addition, you have to pay tolls and customs on products shipped to Norway that are over about a $40 (give or take depending on currency exchange at the moment).

These taxes can often amount to more than what you paid for the product in the first place, depending on what it is. So I have given up shopping online from abroad. While I became bitter about it, it actually saved me a lot of money in the end and forced me to not buy things I didn’t need, so I am semi-grateful for it.
You can calculate tolls and customs costs here.
Healthcare in Norway
I actually never had a chance to experience healthcare in Norway. Not a single time (my dog went to the vet a few times if that counts). This is obviously a good thing. I only know what I watch on the news or have experienced with others.
Vision and dental are not covered. The healthcare itself is very basic and does not include holistic approaches or natural forms of medicine (chiropractors included). Many of the hospitals look like they were built in 1903 but others are very modern.
On the contrary, everyone is entitled to coverage here. I have found that healthcare here is more expensive for me at this point in my life than what I got in the US because I’m healthy and have no chronic issues.
But, if you’re chronically ill or have an ongoing ailment, this is the country for you.

Every time you go to the doctor, you must pay around $40, in addition to the medicine you’re prescribed. But, once you hit your cap (I want to say it’s around $500ish), everything is covered for the remainder of the year.
The medicine in Norway is socialized and comes out of your taxes so you never see it in the first place.
One thing I do notice a lot due to my watching and reading the news here is that a lot of the equipment and practices are extremely out of date.
I just saw a situation with a boy having to travel to Germany out of pocket because the heart procedures he was having done were from the 1970s and doing more damage than good.
He could have benefitted from a solid international health insurance plan, but having to travel that far for a procedure can give added stress.
A lot of what is done here is out-of-date, and not just in the field of medicine. Healthcare in Norway is always evolving, usually for the better, so I think the pros of the system far outweigh the cons. Especially for an American moving to Norway.
Banking in Norway is awesome
I love the banking system in Norway. Everything is done easily and online, which is the same as the States, but transferring money amongst people is significantly easier here in Norway. Of course, I’m not sitting in a country of 325 million people… but instead 5 million people which is far easier to manage, but still.
I can just type in someone’s bank account number and the money sends, regardless of which bank or establishment the person is banking with.
Bank account numbers aren’t a private thing here. If you owe your friend $20, you can just transfer them 100kr over the internet. Banking in Norway is so efficient and easy that it makes me sick.
Feriepenger in Norway (Holiday Money)
Everyone in the world thinks that Norway gets a month of vacation during the summer and paid to not work. Well, this is very wrong.
I, believe it or not, got more vacation time with pay in the United States than I do here in Norway. You see, the month Norwegians are mandated to take off in July, is unpaid. Many jobs and offices close down so you’re forced to not work.
While this is conceptually a nice idea, it sucks for those who need the money and desire to work through July.
The way people are able to afford a month off without pay is because their company withholds money from the workers’ paychecks every month the year prior and gives them a nice, lump sum of money in June of the following year, aptly called feriepenger.

There are reasons I both like and dislike this method. I like it because you get a month of vacation off. I’m a traveler at heart and will happily take off a month unpaid if given the chance.
I also like that someone else is kind of managing my money because I’m lousy with money.
I dislike it because depending on the job, you are forced to take off even if you need the cash and want to work extra. I also dislike it because it is in July.
Who really wants to leave Norway and travel abroad at the height of Norway’s most beautiful and tolerable season? Give me a month off in December or January and I’d have a more positive response.
Also, if it is your first year at a job, you don’t receive feriepenger. So basically, you get to take a month off unpaid.
Conformity in Norway
I haven’t talked too much about this in previous posts but really should have. This is the absolute most conformed place I’ve ever been in the world. The girls all dress the same. And if someone claims they have their own style or is an original, this simply means they just have a different color of Converse sneakers than their friends, who will undoubtedly all own the same white high-top ones. (Update- I don’t think people still rock the Converse in 2019).

If a trend catches on here…watch out. The summers are filled with girls in unflattering mom-like jean shorts, solid color t-shirt, long, straight box dyed blonde hair, and Converse white high-top sneakers.
In the winter, it is all about the Canadian Goose parka (whether it be real or a knockoff) with a fur-trimmed hood. The guys are not much different when it comes to conformity, but it is easier for me to notice on the females than the males since I’m a female myself.
Aside from style, you will also notice conformity in other manners. Skiing is another example. I understand this country is made for skiing and quite frankly, there is not much else to do here, but I swear, everyone does it. There is not a lot of variety when it comes to sports.
Sure, you have gyms and some indoor soccer centers, but pretty much just everyone skis. I guess I should have bought a pair of beginner skis when I moved to Norway and caught onto things but kids zooming past me was not something I wanted to witness and it would have crushed my pride!
A lot of what was mentioned above was pertaining to when this post was originally written in 2013. I am sure there are different brands being rocked now and that there is a movement toward individuality. I still travel back there frequently and I am noticing subtle changes.
Everything costs money in Norway
Wanna play tennis? Good luck finding a court that you don’t have to pay for. Own a TV? You must pay yearly taxes on it. Fortunately, recycling is free. So is hiking and enjoying the outdoors. There are many things to do in Bergen that don’t necessarily require money, fortunately… so long as you like nature.
Norwegians are masterminds when it comes to saving
Americans could use some tips on this. While I think many Norwegians buy and build homes way too young without much money in the bank, the majority seem super good at saving. It boggles my mind and I really need to start learning from them.
Traveling in Norway takes time and patience
Public transportation in Norway deserves a huge thumbs up. It is incredible. But you know those beautiful fjords? They make getting places kind of a nightmare. Some of my favorite Bergen day trips ended up as overnighters as a result!
Places that should really only take two hours to get to often take five hours to get to because one has to take the long way around the fjord or wait on a ferry to get across.
Don’t let maps fool you into thinking places are closer than they are. These kinds of situations tend to happen more in western Norway than on the east side.

Transportation in Norway is expensive. Even when I think I am getting a hell of a deal… I’m kind of getting screwed over. To go round trip from Oslo to Bergen (7 hours) via train with the absolute cheapest ticket possible is still over $100. For a 2-minute ride on Oslo’s public transportation system…you will pay around $5.
The ‘Flytoget’, or airport train, from Oslo’s international airport to the city center will run a person 170kr, or $30. EACH WAY.
There are ways to avoid this, but the average traveler or person new to Oslo doesn’t think about it when they step off of an airplane here. Again, these are 2013 prices and have inevitably been adjusted with currency rates since.
So, You Want to Live and Work in Norway?
Is Norway the right country for you? Have you done proper research? Have you given thought to the changes you will need to make to successfully move to Norway?
There are so many questions to ask before uprooting yourself to Scandinavia. I advise making a list of everyday things that matter to you and things that don’t matter as much. See where Norway fits in this all.

I like to go out and socialize and drink with friends. I don’t care about family or schools at this point in my life. So, perhaps Norway was not the best country for me at the time as I was going out and paying expensive bills but could not take advantage of how wonderfully the country treats children and families.
Everyone is different- just do your research to ensure Norway is a great place to live for you.
How to Move to Norway
Now, the part you have been waiting for. I know you’re asking yourself, “How can I move to Norway?” This next part details the visas available as well as some how-to information pertaining to becoming an expat in Norway.
Types of Visas to Live in Norway
Family Immigration Visa Options
In general, there are two types of Family Immigration Visas for Norway. Family Reunification, and Standard Family Immigration. In almost every case, there is an applicant and a reference person. The applicant is the person that applies for the visa, and the reference person the one that sends a written invitation to the applicant.
Spouses and registered partners
When you’re applying for this type of permit, you must have valid ID papers. Passports are universally accepted and they’ll be fine in almost every case. It’s important for the couple to prove that they have plans for living and working in Norway and that their marriage has to be valid in their home country.
Cohabitants in Norway
Norway supports visas for couples that aren’t married. The prime requirement is that both have to be at least 24 years of age and they have to have plans to live and work in the country. Proper identification is required as always, and in some cases, the couple might need to prove when and where they have lived together previously.
Fiancee Visa
It’s very important to know that this permit is not required to get married in Norway. However, those that apply for it have to prove that the marriage offer is genuine and is not merely a matter of convenience.
When the couple marries, the applicant needs to apply for a family immigration permit before this permit ends. In the case of the marriage not happening as planned, the applicant needs to return to their home country.
There are several other types and stipulations on how to get a visa to live in Norway based on family reunification, but these are some of the most commonly asked scenarios on my site, so I felt compelled to include them. You can see additional information here.
Become an Au Pair in Norway
Young women or girls between the ages of 18 and 30 can apply to be an Au Pair in Norway. The purpose of the stay must always be a cultural exchange and improving language skills, while the au pair helps around the household with light tasks, as well as help with taking care of the children and pets.

The au pair must either prove that they’ll be going back to their country after their stay or at least their circumstances must be highly likely that they’ll return.
The au pair is not allowed to work for another family, but will be entitled to holidays, insurance, and travel compensation by the family. The maximum time a person can live in Norway as an au pair is two years.
Study in Norway (and Visa Types)
The visa for studying in Norway also grants a permit for working half-time, or 20 hours per week, while studying. However, during the holidays you are permitted to work full time. This type of visa is only required if the applicant will be studying in Norway for longer than three months.
When studying in Norway (or even getting a job in Norway), you must have your education and transfer credits approved by NOKUT in several circumstances. You can do that on their website here.
Go to University in Norway
You can only apply for this permit once you’ve been accepted at a university. For it to be granted, you need to have finances to live in Norway on your own.
They don’t have to be only personal funds as you can also use student loans. The chosen school must also be approved by NOKUT.
Upper Secondary Schools and Vocational Schools
This permit is very similar to the one for college or university. However, there are three different ways a person can apply for this permit.
You can have an offer to study at a school that has partnered with a country or a non-profit organization, to attend a baccalaureate study program, or to attend a sports or art academy.
Folk High Schools
This is a visa for specific Norwegian folk high schools, which lasts for a year. It can’t be renewed after it ends, but it won’t be granted at all if the person has attended a religion-based school in Norway before.
Bible School in Norway
Applying for a bible school in Norway is very similar to applying for a folk high school. However, the school needs to be approved under the Adult Education Act, and the only way to check that is by contacting the school directly. This visa is also valid for only a year, and it won’t be granted if you’ve studied at a folk high school before.
Working in Norway
To apply for a work visa for Norway, a person generally needs to be either offered a job in Norway or have their own business.
However, there are multiple types of residence permits for a skilled worker. For each type, the applicant is required to pay their application fee and have the corresponding education. For almost every permit type, your family can apply to move to Norway with you.
Skilled Worker with Employment Offer in Norway
If you have a concrete and specific job offer from a Norwegian company, you can apply for this visa. In almost every case, the offer needs to be full-time, but sometimes the application can be accepted with only 80% of weekly hours. In some cases, it might be necessary to prove that you have the qualifications.
There are some jobs that require recognition from bodies of authority. These are for positions like that of health personnel, etc. For these specialized types of jobs, you would need a license from the Norwegian Directorate of Health.
Self-employed persons with a company abroad
This visa is reserved for those that have their own business outside of Norway but have a task for a Norwegian company. If you apply for this, then you can only work for the company you’ve applied for, and in the field that you’re already working in.
Seasonal Working Visa for Norway
To even apply for this type of permit, the person needs to apply to a proper seasonal industry.
Some examples are forestry, agriculture, fish processing, restaurant, and jobs within the tourism industry. There are also many winter jobs like running whale watching tours in Tromso, etc, that will require seasonal workers!
Trades, carpentry, and painting aren’t considered seasonal industries.
This type of job must be of a seasonal nature or for it to be a holiday stand-in. You need a specific job offer from the employer, but you can also work for several other employers at the same time.
You’ll be granted this visa only if there are no workers from Norway that can be recruited. It’s up to the employers to consult with the Norwegian Labor and Welfare Administration. However, for agriculture and forestry that isn’t required.
Job Seeker Visa for Norway
Normally, a person can only receive a visa if they have a job offer. However, in some cases, there can be an exception if the person is a skilled worker. This visa can be granted to people in exceptional cases so they can live in Norway while they’re looking for work.
This is a fairly difficult visa to obtain and you must already have personal funds to live in Norway. If you don’t manage to find a job in your own field within the six months of the permit’s validity, then you must live outside of the country for a full year before applying again.
I actually had this visa for a while when in Norway.
Job Seeker (with Norwegian Education)
This permit cannot be granted to a religious leader, teacher, or ethnic cook. There are a few criteria to fulfill before applying for this permit. You must either be a student, study for extra education, or be a researcher, and have a residence permit for either case.
It’s necessary for you to have personal funds when applying, but you can also work full-time while you’re looking for jobs.
Registration scheme for EU/EEA nationals in Norway
Any person from the EU and the EEA is free to work, live, and study in Norway. However, they need to register if they are to stay in Norway for more than three years. If you’re an EU/EEA national, you’re free to live and work in Norway and have your family move with you. After five years of living in Norway, you can apply for a permanent right of residence.
A family member can also register if they are the spouse, cohabitant over the age of 18, or child of under 21 years of age.
Applying for Asylum in Norway
Asylum seekers must be either already inside the country or at its borders. Their case will immediately start to be processed, and they’ll be under the protection of the police. They’re obliged to give personal details, and if they’re found to be false, then the seekers could receive punishment by authorities.
After some medical testing, like for tuberculosis, the asylum seekers will be interviewed to fully assess their situation. For minors, they’ll be given a legal representative if they’re not with parents or legal guardians.
Moving to Norway from America
I moved to Norway from the US and to be honest, it was a pretty seamless process in retrospect. A different visa for the language is what I initially landed before applying for various other types (all listed above).
The language visa no longer exists. There are several ways you can move to Norway from America and it is documented here. You can also see how to move to Norway from Australia or Canada there (which offer working visas to those nationalities and a few others).

I have only covered 15 of the 30 on the list! To check out the rest… head over to Inspiring Travellers and see what Norway tips they have shared with you from their experiences of living in Norway (Stavanger, to be exact).
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I live in Norway. I think one thinkg obody talks is the freedomand and peace we have in this country. Here the kids still can be free and go out without need a grown up. I don’t think the prices are so up if you think how much you earn every hour a normal skilled worker earn up to 500nok per hour that means that the train 200 nok is paid with around 15 min of your work so not bad at all. Medical system is ok the pay 180 nok per consultation is very cheap. I’m not in love with Norway but I need to accept than the average of standard of life here is much higher than inthe Us. You make me confused because sometimes you write like you are making very good and others like you don’t have money for the basics. Hope you are doing better now that you are out of here
was this directed at me or another commenter? i never said i dont have money for the basics. and i still live in norway?
Sorry, but he is kind of right… 500kr per hour?? 80k per month? 900k per year? You call it average salary ? Which Norway you are talking about? This is salary for vice president, if you are really good.. I would mention one another thing – Norwegians think it’s the best and perfect country and feel that every bad opinion about them is wrong,, Funny that you can see it clearly in the comments :)
Lolo, 900K is obviously not average, but it isn’t necessarily something obscene that only the vice president makes. I know of a number of people who make over a million with just high school education. Granted this is in industry doing jobs with inconvenient working times, lots of travel and overtime.
I haven’t said it’s impossible. It is possible in every country in EU or US… especially when you are in industry, extra hours etc. but Patricia said that “normal skilled worker earn up to 500nok”, like it was average salary. It isn’t truth at all, it not “normal”, like you said – it s not average.
In 2010 average was 450k kr per year, today it’s probably 50k more. It’s 250kr per hour, don’t forget about a tax :) so for train ticket you are not working 15 minutes but 2h, and it’s rather one of cheapest tickets :) And we need to remember that “average” doesn’t mean that most of people earn this kind of money. Just to clear up, I don’t like when people give improper data. I like Norway mostly because of the nature aspects and I was thinking to maybe look for the job there, but the problem I had was that I could afford pretty much the same as I have in Poland today on managers position in production industry (projects leading) . The salary I was offered in Norway was 3 time higher than my actual, but prices are also 3 time higher :) so it’s pretty much the same and because of some disadvantages I found when living few months in Norway I didn’t decided to take a job. Out of curiosity – what industry you had in mind saying that easly it’s possible to earn more than million/year as your friends do?
At average salary (around 450,000Kr in 2014) the tax rates would be 26.7% after your allowances. this would leave you with around 330,000 Kr/pa which based on the OECD data is 1400 hrs (!408 in 2013), so 235 Kr after tax, so that’s not an hours work after tax.
The truth is Norway’s great for unskilled manual labour, anything that can’t be automated pays really well in comparison, look at the rates for kids working at McDonalds for instance. For skilled and professional workers this benefit isn’t there, that’s equality for you, and the progressive tax system ensures that those on high rates of pay have higher rates of tax.
The upside of this equality is that the overall quality of life is higher, better educational opportunities for all, and hence better social mobility, longer life, and especially healthy life for most. The 10% lose out compared with say the US or the UK, but the other 90% benefit. For people immigrating one challenge is that it is a very educated population with a high level of participation (more women work than in most other western countries) so you’re education that makes you “special” where you come from is just meh here.
Max. You are Norwegian ? For sure you are acting as one :) No offense to you personally but it’s no accidence that very often in europe norwegian are seen as nation that don’t want to hear anything bad about them and a country, even if it’s true… :)
You are using OECD data which gives “actual working hours”, and yes, Norway has 1400 hours per year. Now little bit of equation.. (and here I need to comment your sentence – maybe Norwegians are educated in meaning they are graduating schools, but the education is pooor, I have worked there some time and right now working with them remotely, mathematics, economics- veeeeryy poor. It seem like primary schooling is struggling, you can double check that on PISA tests/OECD results, Norway is way below average..). anyway. if you multiply 250 working days and 7,5 hour work day , it’s far away from 1400 h/year. Have you wondered why is that? one of the reasons is highest level in europe of sick leaves (over 2 times more than eu average) and shorter working hours. So not that healthy…. or just little lazy. My personal observation is – both! and I would add – not efficient.
Regarding market for professionals – It’s totally opposite to your description. Norway biggest companies are attached to natural goods which just happen to be in that region, there is just little piece of industry to compete with world. Main market is fossil fuels, oil, gas and fish (besides regular post, healthcare, telecom. etc. ) and there you can find good job and good payment comparing to rest of the world, but low payment of main manufacturing industry/services is not caused by “very educated population” because it’s not, is due to no competition on the market. In EU my education and experience is not “special” as you described, in fact it’s special in Norway, but there no big market for that, and payments are flat. No big manufacturing, no big brand names (as for ex. 5 Mil. Denmark has).
Don’t get me wrong, I like norwegians, I just wrote few bad thing about them, there are also few good, as for any nationality :) as they just happen to fortunately sit on the gold and holding whole economy on that but thinking themselfs as very smart and brilliant , as they are not above average (remember economy in 80′ and 90′, when there was crisis due to “dutch disease”).
One more thing that is funny is norwegians pointing out whole how “green” they are with electrical cars and hydropower etc. . but they forget that it is mainly build on big income from exporing and selling oil and gas, which are one biggest disasters for nature in eu. and they are biggest explorer in this parts of world.. :)
Not Norwegian, but I do live and work here.
Yes the 1408 hours is low, but it’s more than Germany at 1388 or the Netherlands at 1380 and not a lot less than Denmark at 1411, so I don’t think your generalisation holds much. I don’t know where you come from but there are few places where people work 250 days of the year. Also account for the higher workforce participation than say countries like Germany and it’s about the total hours worked by the population per head, not just what people in employment do. Still we’ll stick with the general prejudice because the country has a family friendly environment, to keep workforce participation high.
The PISA data is a open to interpretation as it doesn’t align with the countries with high scores having any real competitive advantage in western economies. I can’t comment on your specific experiences, but it’s not mine, maybe I’ve just been lucky as I work in one of those businesses associated with Oil and Gas.
Sure the economy has a strong tenancy towards the exploitation of natural resources, but actually avoided the Dutch disease for the most part. The Norwegian paradox is well known in economics, that is even after the rents of oil and gas are accounted for the productivity and income are amongst the highest in the world, with a low R&D investment. You also have to see the context of where the economies grew from post 1945 as Norway had never had a large manufacturing sector.
As I said if you expect a significant benefit from having a higher education Norway isn’t the place to be, you point out yourself that the payment is “flat”. Sweden has a large manufacturing sector with world known names, and twice the population, Denmark, not so much.
Max, Denmark does not have large manufacturing sector with world known names? Moller-Maersk, Carlsberg, Danfoss, Grundfos, DSB, Lego, Arla, Bang & Olufsen and more, more, more.. Name one brand like this in Norway not connected with oil&gas or money from these industries? (I can agree to fishery, Norsk Hydro, yara, end of list.) Sweden has also good brand names and good economy (probably better then Danmark) Norway does not, and this will be a big issue when oil won’t be that beneficial.
You’re writing that maybe your are lucky with job, but please read my post once again – I already wrote that in oil&gas industry there is no problem to get a good paid job, so we are on the same page. I was writing about “regular” industry, which create goods, because you’ve said there are qualified norwegians and there are not that many, I just lack of industry not connected with oil. Out of curiosity – whats your job? Do you work near big city, in offices or somewhere offshore/small town? I’m just interested…
Regarding working hours..hmm.. I think you missed my point. I was trying to raise that 1400 is not “on paper” for regular full time employees. We were discussing how much you can afford for one hour work and here for higher work positions Norway is not on the bottom of list, but not on the top as well (OECD Income) and due to salary flatness it’s higher in average, but we are talking here about qualified workers… and of course lower working hours is common ratio for let’s say “wealthy” countries, regardless of difference in hours counting (ex. feriepenger, contract working etc.) I don’t know how about your job but if you have ever worked in other branch in Norway or worked with germans and dutch, dannish you know exactly what I’m talking about. ..and one of highest ratio for sick leaves in Norway is not mistake – you should know it as well, ikke stress :) . Norwegian economy grew since 45 to 70′ but growth rate was lower than that for most western nations, until oil was found and then two times in almost two decades of “dutch disease” (didn’t avoid it) until gouverment started the Found… Don’t get me wrong – I’m not saying that norwegians are stupid and not saying it’s not a good life over there etc etc. What I’m saying is just – it’s not that great after all for everybody for living standard and it’s not that bright future as most of well know economists see for Norway today, same with education.. Anyway I’m very happy that even of different views and experiences we can have a cultural and reasonable chat which is unusual today at internet ;)
Megan – we do not want you here. Please leave. You’re painting a perfect picture of the arrogant, obnoxious and loud American that we’ve all come to know and hate. Stop reinforcing the stereotype and just leave.
LOL. thanks for your comment.
Hi. Love the list.
About the fruit and vegetables found in Norwegian shops; in Norway it is not allowed to use chemicals to preserve. The result is that fruit and vegetables goes bad faster. . I don’t know if the places you mentioned are organic shops. Norwegians are used to find rotten fruit, but that said, the employees should do a much better job and remove them more often. So don’t be afraid of what you have been eating of fruit and vegetables in Norway, think more about all the chemical you get elsewhere!
About holiday, it is the Ferielov that regulat it. If you don’t have feriepenger from last year, you only need to take 2 weeks holiday.
but you guys do have chemicals and pesticides in foods and produce. that is very common knowledge.
http://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/debatt/Sproytemidler-i-mat-er-en-helsefare-7252638.html
that link will explain to you, in norwegian, the dangers these impose. based on the chemicals and pesticides in foods, these foods should perhaps hold up a bit better in grocery stores- or is it the laziness of the stores and their employees who is to blame?
http://phys.org/news183110037.html
In Norway nr 1 is not allowed, amongst others.
Yes, we uses chemicals to prevent diseases.
But it is not allowed to use chemicals to preserve fresh food better in shop shells.
http://www.regjeringen.no/se/sub/europaportalen/eos/eos-notatbasen/notatene/2006/mars/plantevernmidler.html?id=524068
so you’re to tell me that those chilean blueberries that are in stores during certain times of the year contain absolutely no chemicals to permit them to last the journey across the world and selling process here?
I’m telling you it’s safer to buy Norwegian food, because Norwegian producers follow Norwegian regulation. It is not allowed for imported food, but control is not always easy. But I guess it is not the imported food you find of bad quality in Norwegian shops?
All food make up is not allowed in Norway, also gen manipulation. In Norwegian milk, it’s milk of high quality, with nothing added to prevent the milk from getting sour.
If a Norwegian farmer have 450 000 in celletall, he’s not allowed to delivery it to the dairy. In U.S, the limit is 750 000.
A Norwegian farmer get less paid if the celletall is over 220 000, so almost all milk sold are under 220 000.
Kjøttdeig and other meat products are sold with their original color, not in a added colored red state.
This is why Norwegian food products looks a lot sader, but it is safer for consumers.
This is common knowledge for most Norwegians (not the celletall- only special interested know that!)but we sadly don’t communicate it to foreigners.
i dont disagree with you that norwegian products are better than what is being imported from the EU (trust me, i have seen the sizes of brussel sprouts and leek in EU countries and they are about 15 times the size and are quite tasteless). but unfortunately, until grocery stores here begin selling only norwegian products, you will find pesticides/chemicals on products in the stores. my issue with quality hasn’t anything to do with the makeup and shelf-life, it has more to do w/ the laziness of store employees who don’t do their job sorting through things and picking out mold. mold perpetrates more mold, and a lot of food is being wasted as a result. :(
I like your work Megan. I’ve been here 5 years and love it. The cultural querks can take a while to get used to.
that is awesome to hear! i wish more expats shared your same experience!!