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  1. Hi Megan, thanks for the info!

    I’m interested in visiting/studying/living in Norway at some point in the future, hence finding your blog. I can see from a US perspective, there are some heinous cost-of-living differences, though I’m interpreting these things as a person living in Canada (Toronto, to be specific), so obviously things are considerably different (it can be cheaper for me to drive to Buffalo, NY to buy a bunch of stuff, rather than getting it locally), as much as they are similar.

    I appreciate the perspective, and I’m no less discouraged. Maybe the pizza options are a little drab, or the lack of variety in produce, but I’m sure I’d survive. I would be interested in hearing some perspectives on vegans living in Norway, so if anyone should happen to see this, don’t hesitate to message me!

    Otherwise, don’t let the cranky folks get you down. What’s that saying about opinions and assholes? :)

    Thanks!

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  3. Hi Megan,

    Interesting post.

    I have to say that I agree with most of your comments, while I disagree with others. Most, if not all, points have been reviewed/commented on already, however I think you should be careful calling Norwegians wanting to correct imressions/assumptions made about Their culture and lifestyle “getting on the defensive”. Please remember that while some Norwegians will have a rose colored viewpoint and/or simply fail to see anything wrong with what they are accustomed to, your viewpoints are based on a short time span and relatively few experiences or demographic/geographic variation. I love that you share your view of Norway and happen to agree on most accounts (all knit picking aside) – just remember that if youre creating a post aimed at “warning” people and encouraging them to think twice before moving there, you must surely be open to comments, suggestions and of course corrections from those who may know better. It can at times seem as if you are more concerned with defending your statements and discouraging Norwegian perspectives than to inform your readers and propective Norway bound individuals – which surely was the intent of the article, right? I completely agree that natives may have a different perspective, but you cannot assume this is always the case. For myself, while growing up in Norway, I have lived in the Uk, Thailand, Boston and, currently, Florida (with my American wife) for the past 8 years. So for people like myself, I cannot see how my viewpoint should be any different than yours and why you keep saying that this blog is intended forthose interested in moving to Norway; isn’t it completely irrelevant where the information stems from, as long s it is in fact correct? Anyway, just trying to invite you to see my (and probably more with me) perspective here.

    To the few points I happen to disagree with:

    – transportation is no more expensive in Norway than the US. Try a 7 hour train ride on the Amtrak and youll find the price is very similar to your $100 train ticket to Bergen. Factor in the currency and the fact that Norwegians earn more, and youll find that public transport is actually fairly cost effective in Norway. Buses are also cheaper than trains in Norway, just like in the UK and the US (dont even get me started on train ticket prices in the UK!). Keep in mind that commuters buy month cards or annual cards for shorter commuting distances which are very affordable. The flight train to/from oslo airport is a little pricier indeed but no one needs to take it. It is an express option if you absolutely have to be at the airport within 15 mins (aka youre running late) or just prefer the comfort of it. Youe right that the public transport sucks in the US thought, unless you live in a major city of course (and even then everything tends to be outdated).

    – food quality in Norway is not necessarily the best (partly due to the fact that we have to comply with a lot of EU food policy laws, contrary to what you are stating) however where is it? The quality is no better in the US. The variety is way better in both UK and US, but quality? Not so much. I have studied nutrition so I know what Im on about here. The reason why people have mentioned pesticides onhere is because it is relevant to your claim that the quality is worse, simply because food tends to last longer in the US due to pesticides, etc. which are illegal most other places int the world. The fact that you are comparing wal-mart foods to the typical Norwegian shopping isle tells me you are not up to date or knowledgable on the US food industry. There are lots of items, both in Wal-Mart an at Trader Joes/Wholefoods that contain GMO (again, illegal in Norway) and numerous ingredients that are strictly banned in Europe. But as you are stating here, it is my impression that most Americans are more concerned with mould (completely harmless almost 100% of the time) than they are with ingredients (and GMO products) that have been proven tomause cancer and all sorts of mental and physical illnesses/dysfunctions. So stating that the food quality is better in thefUS based on the amount of mould visible on certain fruits in certain Norwegian stores (I rarely see mould on fruits/veggies when back hom and never really have) is simply a little ignorant.. That being said I think most Norwegians suck at customer service and are generally lazy and have absolutely zero pride in what they do!

    -conformity: this I mostly agree with, but if you look away from the major cities you will find that conformity levels are extremely low and not dissimilar from what youll see in the US. Certain parts of the five major cities are indeed very bad however, Ill certainly agree with that, and it puzzles and annoys me every time I return home. You never really feel uncomfortable being yourself or dressing however you like though, and that has to be said. You might just get a few strange looks thats all!

    -complaining: Norwegians do not complain in public (in private we complain a lot) the way Americans do. We tend to despise confrontatiok ag avoid it at all cost. Not sure if it stems from the good old communist days where no one were supposed to create fuzz in front of others or if there are other reasons for this). However, Norwegians tend to be blatently rude if annoyed by someone/something, acting like five year olds who were just told they couldnt have more ice cream. I suppose it is “our” (I like to think that I do not act in this way as I have been very americanozed in this regard) way of letting others know how we feel.

    -“nothing to do here but ski”.. While I agree that there is more to do in most major cities in the US or other parts of the world than in Oslo, it has to be said that most Norwegians play many different sports (I have even actively played rugby and baseball in Norway) and the options are just as many (however slightly different and more expensive) as in the US. Entertainment wise notcso much, but still comparable with US cities of approx half a million inhabitants.

    Anyway, thanks again and I hope you see my points!

    1. Hi Alvin!

      Thanks so much for your comment.

      In no way, shape, or form, have I discouraged comments from Norwegians who want to comment with a perspective. The comments I’m discouraging are “AMERICA SUCKS!”, “YOU’RE A DUMBFUCK”, etc. These comments, are not welcome. And yes, they are mostly coming from Norwegians ;) Norwegians do have a reputation here for being internet trolls but not standing up to what they say and hiding behind fake emails. All Norwegian bloggers can confirm this ;) The hate comments Norwegian bloggers (my friend used to run the biggest fashion network for bloggers here) get is disgusting…from fellow Norwegians. That is why I inform people to use their correct email address and name in the ‘forewarning’ I wrote…because those using real emails are leaving real comments. Regardless of whether I like the comment or not, I let them post. Those leaving “YOU STUPID FUCKING AMERICAN” as a comment, are pathetic and using a fake email with fake name. In which case, the spam folder picks up and deletes for me ;) I encourage all perspectives. But people need to be aware that this post is based on perspectives as a foreigner….not as someone who has lived in Norway their entire life. Just as it would be the other way around if someone wrote one for people moving to the US. If I had been an American who had never lived outside the US, I would have a much different opinion than a foreigner who had moved to the US but lived mostly in another country.

      – Transportation is expensive in Norway. Hands down. I didn’t say it was signficantly cheaper in the US…b/c it is not. But hopping on the bus/tbane/trikk here just on a short 2 minute ride is $5. That is ridiculous. A one week pass in Oslo for the train just for one zone is around $40 or so. In NYC it is $30. Not much cheaper, but still covers a much wider area. I’m only comparing to NYC because it is the only US city with adequate public transportation hahah ;)

      – The quality section had NOTHING to do with pesticides, etc. The thing people are grossed out by is that molded things sit in grocery stores for weeks and go untouched. As someone who eats 90% organic, I am in full understanding that those foods mold and go bad MUCH quicker b/c they dont use chemicals, but to see lazy grocery store workers not actually take pride and pick them out from the bunch is a disgrace. And people constantly say ‘well…..they are understaffed’. No excuses. Moldy and old food is nasty. It also perpetrates mold on other products. It’s as simple as having a worker go through in the mornings to check the items. It’s not a hard concept, but one that seems too difficult for people working here to understand :)

      -” I understand this country is made for skiing and quite frankly, there is not much else to do here, but I swear, everyone does it. ” This was copied pertaining to skiing. I never said there was nothing to do here but ski. But in the winters, there isn’t much else to do and it capitalizes on the elements and gets people outside. Every single Norwegian will admit the same. I’d rather a country be active and all participate in the same thing than to have many people not active at all, if I’m gonna be honest. :)

      Thanks SO much again for your comments! I truly do appreciate them and always welcome you back to other posts (I tend not to post on Norway as much these days because I’m so at home here that I just don’t think to write about it in the same fashion that I once did!). I love living here and have the most fantastic group of friends here, both Norwegian and international. I hope you have the same in the US and you’re enjoying the sun this winter (at least one of us will be haha!!) :):) GOD JUL!

  4. canada and norway hava some similar points.
    thet are both boring, dull and are FEMINISTAN . they a have high taxes for a low government’s services offer.i consider canada and scandinavian countrys as being underdeveloped.
    Yacine from france
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