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  1. Hello Megan! Very interesting to read your blog, and your perspectives on living in Norway. I have been working full time jobs since 1974, and has NEVER been mandated to take vacation in July! This summer I had 3 weeks in the US, and still have 2 more weeks of vacation to spend before 31st of December. All I have to do is to inform my boss when I’d like to take off, and that’s it! Of course you always discuss when it’s best for the company/coworkers etc.to take vacation, and together we work it out.

    FERIEPENGER = In Norway we have what we call “FerieÃ¥r” – and it’s from January to next January. Feriepenger is for me 12% of my income for this period, and in the company I work for, we get that lumpsum in mid-June each year. I know for sure some companies pay their employees BOTH feriepenger and ordinary salary in June – which is a pretty good deal I’d say. Ordinary salary from July (for me), even though I worked only 1 week due to the visit to US. Even if you havn’t been employed for a “FerieÃ¥r” you are still entitle to 5 weeks vacation – usually without being paid. BUT, if you have started in a new job, your “feriepenger” from previous employer will be transferred to your account, which enables people to take unpaid vacation if wanted.

    I have lived in the US, and know what you are talking about when it comes to fruit and vegetables…. BUT I also know that Norway has way too more rules and regulations when it comes to using pesticides – which I am very happy about actually. To me it’s not normal that fruit & vegetables last “forever”, nor that pastery/bread etc. seem to last for abnormal time. I think you would find the same food quality in the US if they were not allowed all different pesticides.

    HEALT CARE: You mention once we hit our cap of approx. $500 everything is covered for the remainder of the year. I think the amount for 2013 was set at NOK 1.850.- which is approx. $300.
    I found doctors and medicine way more expensive in the US compared to Norway. In fact, living there in 1992 and taking my son to the ER for a headinjury, I was charged $500 for 5 stictches.
    Undergoing treatment and me spending 1 day/night in the hospital resulted in unbelieveable amount of $, but was covered by my husband’s insurance company his employer had.

    I think you are a great observer Megan, and it was fun to read your perspectives and comments. I wish you all the best, and like I told my friends in the US this summer – while discussing Norway versus US; “We have to agree to disagree” on certain things. We all tend to love what we grew up with, and defend that.

    <3 ;))

    1. So cool to get a comment from someone who lives in Norway and has had a different experience than me! I’ve had a wonderful time here, but some things can be a headache (just as some things were headaches in the US). You’re very fortunate to have worked w/ companies who dont mandate a July vacation! The companies I worked with both did and my fiance’s company does as well. He is very lucky to move to the Oslo division from Bergen this year and while they mandated a July vacation, he was able to convince them to allow it in September-October. It took a LOT of work though for him to do that! I haven’t really had a feriepenger pay out (only a small one!) but my fiance gets solely his feriepenger and no salary. It can make for harsh times for us…but it’s okay because we usually have saved up for it :)

      As for quality of vegetables and fruit…that is something I’m not sure I’ll ever agree on, but I did shop at Whole Foods and more organic type stores in the US. I hear that Europe’s standards and allowances are stricter than in the US, although I know they are not that great either way. In the last two years of me living here, I have seen vast improvement on organic offerings at regular supermarkets. My concern isn’t so much with the ‘chemical’ aspect, but more so the poor quality and people not taking care of them. I go into some stores and everything is just rotted over. It’s so disappointing. I remember seeing the TV2 documentary on the crap quality upon moving here and it was nice to know that they cared enough to make something like it. I normally buy all of my produce in Grønland here in Oslo because a lot of it is imported from the middle east, which tends to be around 90% organic anyways, even if not specified that way ;) I still would give an arm and a leg for Whole Foods or Trader Joe’s here. Most of my Norwegian friends that travel to the US go NUTS when they go to the grocery store and come back wanting to open their own franchise of anything LOL :)

      Regarding healthcare…I really don’t know much about it here in Norway. I have yet to go to the doctor here! In the US, I paid about 50kr per month for my vision, health, and dental plan w/ my company and I basically had to pay nothing out of pocket. It was awesome. So I’m sure anything I experience here is going to be different than that to some degree. If I had kids in the US, I’m sure I’d have different views on the healthcare system there! :) It was always just my dog and me ;)

      Thanks so much for your comments! So great to hear from someone else who has had different experiences and has been here for so long to get to really know things around these parts! :) Where in Norway do you live??? I’m just curious :)

    2. Just want to correct you with the produce in Grønland being from the middle east.. it’s usually not. The stor owners may be from the middle east – but they usually get their produce from Bama/Gartnerhallen.
      They show up early in the morning, and handpick what they want. That’s how they get the best quality. They showed that on TV a few years back.
      Also.. I’ve lived in the middle east, and seen that they are not afraid of pesticides. They sprayed everything in that area. Every night they sprayed the park and the hotel guardens against moskitos – and the fields got sprayed too against other pests.. Agriculture is business there as well. High yields are important there as well.

      Large store chaines in Norway, want to pay as little as possible, and just orders 20-30 cases of produce. A truck drivers collect the cases, and does not care what he gets – just as long as the number of crates/cases are correct. If the store workers do their job, they go through the cases before they end up in the store – and can throw away rotten fruit before you as a customer sees it.

      As for frozen pizza.. that is for poor students, who want to use their food bugdet on beer insted :-)
      I have not eaten a frozen pizza since 1995!
      But I have noticed the price on some of them in the stores. From $2 and all the way up to almost $20.

      I grow most of our vegies/fruit/berries in our garden. But that is only for a few month. The rest of the year I buy from my local Meny shop. I have never seen and rotten fruit there over the 8 year period I’ve been shopping there. They do a good job.

    3. thanks for your comments regarding this too!

      much of the produce ive seen in grønlands from the middle east. Not all, or not most, but a vast amount of it does for sure. israel is one of the main places ive seen goods from. but i dont shop like a typical norwegian and just buy a few ‘normal’ items. i shop like an american and buy a huge variety…a lot of which i cant get here in norway except in grønland (okra, tumeric, etc…although ultra started carrying both). while im sure many places in the middle east are spray happy, i know of many countries there where chemicals are NOT used at all. and as someone who is very cautious about what goes in their mouth in terms of chemicals, i can taste almost immediately when something is not 100% real and has something on/in it. this is why i enjoyed traveling to the caucasus so much. abkhazia, georgia, and armenia are completely natural and the fruit and vegetables are OUT OF THIS WORLD.

      ive had bad experiences with meny, unfortuantely. but most is not the produce, it’s other stuff. but i agree they are definitely better than rimi, rema1000, and other shops!

  2. What you said about conformity was really interesting! I’m movie to Norway in about a week (yikes!) for college and I’ve talked to lots of people but no one has mentioned anything like that. I dress rather off-beat, nothing crazy but definitely different, i fit in well in the rather artsy city canadian city that i currently live in. Now i’m worried that my black high top converse are going to make me an outcast!

  3. Have to agree on the food quality here, though I’ve not encountered much in the way of mouldy food like you posted – that’s seriously gross. My biggest problem with the food here comes from the sheer lack of variety. I come from the UK, which has an unfortunate and undeserved reputation for having poor food quality. I say it’s undeserved, because every supermarket you go to in the UK is packed full of different kinds of meat, sausages, vegetables, fruits – you name it. Food shopping in Norway, meanwhile, is frustrating, especially if you’re someone like me who really likes to cook.

    Let’s start with the meat. The first thing to say about the meat in Norway is that it’s absurdly overpriced. Two medium-sized steaks will set you back about £10 or more. The quality is far too variable to justify such an inflated price tag – frequently you’re stuck with a slab of thin, haggard meat that’s more fatty connective tissue than meat.

    Norwegian sausages baffle me – I walk into my local ICA and see an entire fridge area devoted to sausages…that are all exactly the same frankfurter-style hot dogs, just from different brands. In the UK, the same amount of store space has varieties of different hot dogs made from different kinds of meat, all replete with various spices, stuffings, etc. and generally of high quality – it’s only the extremely cheap ones that are of the less than 50% pork variety, you can usually pick up 97% meat sausages for £2.50 a pack. In Norway, meanwhile, all the Grill Pølser sausages are something like 48% meat and way overpriced. You can occasionally find variety, generally indicated by region rather than ingredients (English, French, Italian), but because they’re considered exotic they’re extremely overpriced and about £9 for three sausages (!).

    Potatoes, too. Again, I’m pretty used to a wide variety of potatoes for a variety of purposes – roasting, mashing, baking, boiling, crushing, salad filling, frying – you name it. Here, again, I see large sections of a big store like the ICA in Skøyen devoted to three kinds of potatoes, generally filtered by size rather than utility – small, medium, large. Stuff like starch content, waxiness or even what sort of cooking the potatoes are best for is often absent from the packaging, leaving you to just buy them and hope for the best. Not very helpful if you like to cook.

    Frozen pizzas are often said to be the national dish in Norway, and so I was expecting something a bit less bog standard than what I got with the Grandiosa here. The price varies between about £4-7 for a pizza (again, ridiculous), and that’s just the main ‘brand’ – those Big One pizzas go for around £10 and their “Take-Away’ version is, at £17, roughly the same price as an actual take-away pizza. Compare that to the UK, where the absolutely most expensive frozen pizza available is around roughly the £5 mark, and most others hovering round the £1.50-2.50 area, and you get an idea of how seriously Norwegians take their (average) frozen pizza. Peppe’s Pizza and Dolly Dimples, the two biggest pizza chains in Norway, are also nothing to write home about.

    That’s not so say that I dislike Norway or that it isn’t possible to make a decent meal here. I’ve generally found the vegetable quality in Oslo to be pretty good, despite your harrowing pictures above. And I’ve noticed it’s much, much easier here to buy decent-quality cooking equipment. You have to try quite hard to find a stainless steel pan without non-stick coating in the UK, but in Norway they’re pretty easy to come across. The one thing that’s pretty impossible to justify, however, is the ABSURDLY HIGH prices for kitchen utensils. I went back home to the UK and picked up a decent quality potato ricer for £4.50, a garlic press for £1.50 and a meat thermometer for £1.50. When I came back to Oslo, I found more or less the same ricer for £30 (?!?!), the garlic press for £6 (!) and the meat thermometer for £7 (?!?!).

    1. I absolutely agree with you that there is a major lack of food variety here. While i can find 100 ‘health food’ stores, they are all tiny and contain the same things…making me so bored with food and going in there. I usually shop at these type of stores for things except fruits and vegetables. And to buy organic here, or locally, is absolutely outrageous. In the US, to buy those types of foods costs slightly more, but not to the point where it is unaffordable in my opinion. I just settle for shopping in Grønland.

      And i definitely agree with potatoes and sausages here! Although I don’t really consume either (I tried to take back on my usual eating routine from the US when I realized the Norwegian diet did NOT work with me!), the potatoes here definitely lack variety!!!

      Norwegians definitely got it right when they say the best pizza you can eat is what is made at home. Obviously this is because Grandiosa, Dolly Dimples, and Peppe’s is as good as it gets. I can’t stand ANY of it. My fiancee LOVES it…it baffles me. I know we grew up with different taste buds, but to think that Peppe’s is acceptable for a pizza is just beyond me ;)

      Luckily, I haven’t had to purchase too much kitchen equipment thus far (I’m poor), so I haven’t noticed the prices, but it is certainly nothing I expect to be cheap! Perhaps it’ll give me a reason to take a quick hop to London for a weekend ;)

      Thanks so much for your comments!!! I love reading other’s perspective, especially when coming from another country than me and comparing experiences!!

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